Posts by Sea Breeze

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

You made bold moral statements right off the bat on this thread related to Judgement, Salvation, Moral Law and Laws of Logic. This is what discussion boards are for... working through ideas and truth statements.

So, how do you explain your belief in the stability of the laws of logic from an atheist worldview?

Surely you must have some foundation for your beliefs. Would you agree that your reliance on the stability of the laws of logic contradict your professed beliefs about our origins? If not, why not?

Are you just going to drop the F bomb on this thread and not even attempt to explain why?

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

Well, I hope you'll think about it.

So, how do you explain your belief in the stability of the laws of logic from an atheist worldview? Where do they come from and what basis do you have to believe in their stability?

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

I thought it was odd when you said you 'wanted' to be an atheist. Why?

For me, it was primarily a reflex from the indoctrination from the WT. The WT led me to believe that Christians were the most evil part of "Babylon the Great". So, Christianity was the last place I would look for truth after leaving. But, I got over the indoctrination little by little after learning to reason logically.

I eventually realized that the laws of logic itself is rooted in a Christian worldview and not an atheist one. Laws imply a law giver. Chaos, random unguided DNA copying mistakes doesn't produce laws. And, if they did why would they be the same everywhere?

Why would the laws of logic be so stable in a random happenstance universe? Why wouldn't the laws of logic be different in Austrailia, or on the moon if everything is just chance? It makes no sense. I believe that we know that the laws of logic are stable because they come from the Creator himself, "who changest not". (Mal. 3: 6)

The atheist must borrow stability from the Christian worldview in order to attempt to formulate an argument against God. Very illogical.

By the way, I spoke to Fred Williams, the host of Real Science Radio. He said he would love for you to come on the show and explain your ideas on evolution.

Would you agree to explain evolution and atheism on the radio show?

I suggest a format where he would ask questions to two former very active JW's (you and me, one atheist and one believer). It would be very respectful and you could reach a wide audience with your ideas.

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

Cofty,

You would not even be able to make your posts if Christianity wasn't true. How would you know what evil even was if we are nothing more that DNA copying mistakes and chemicals? What does it matter what one jar of chemicals does vs. another jar of chemicals?

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

Diogenesister,

Cofty previously condemned Calvinism, so I'm guessing he would not be a fan of Determinism either.

So which is it Cofty?

Do we have free will or not?

The illogicalness of Cofty's emotional response with loaded language is just one of the myirad logical fallacies that atheists use to cover up their hatred of God..... the one that supposedly doesn't exist.

One of atheists' supposed main gripes agains God is the existence of evil. They reason that a good God wouldn't allow evil. They fail to realize that God is primarily allowing freedom, and along with that artifact of our existence comes the ability to engage in evil. Evil follows freedom.

Should God prevent the exercise of evil at the expense of those who attempt to restrain it? If the Government made us all live in prison cells, that would certainly limit evil; but at the cost of freedom.

God's solution to "the problem of evil" is judgement. The Substitutionary Atonement of Jesus Christ is utterly meaningless if judgement is rejected as a necessary consequence of free society. The real object of hatred for atheists is Jesus' payment that he made on their behalf, which serves to preserve freedom and address evil at the same time. It is the need for a Savior that is so repulsive to the atheist because it implies that there is something in the atheist that needs to be addressed.

I wanted to be an atheist for a time after leaving the WT. Too many things just didn't add up.

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

Cofty,

Don’t you believe in free will?

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Sea Breeze

Salvation from the eternal torture your god plans

Cofty,

Your statement makes a person wonder why anyone would choose eternal separation from their creator and his creation. Shouldn't God give people what they really want?

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Threats in field service?

by enoughisenough in

in reading about the 54 year old man being shot, i was wondering if any of you were ever shot at, or threatened with a gun.. i was in a car group where a woman came out waving around, telling us to get off her land.

in another situation a man told the car group to turn and leave or he was calling the cops.

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Sea Breeze

When I was a gungho pioneer, I went up to a house and a man in his 20's got out of a truck on the property and told me that no one was at home.... in an angry tone.

There were two other garage apartments on the property, so I just said ok thanks, and walked toward the other two residences on the property. He got irate and started screaming, "They are not at home either!".

Something told me to get the hell out of there. So I did. I can still see the fire in his eyes. He was ready to throw down for sure. Musta been 35 years ago.

Poor fellow. Probably lost his momma to the cult like I did several years later.

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Christ's Brothers

by enoughisenough in

cooperate with christ’s representatives.

shortly before his death, jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership.

he said: “he that receives anyone i send receives me also.” (john 13:20) in fact, jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (matt.

Sea Breeze

The plainest reading would refer to other Jews, Jesus' kinsmen.... as his brothers. Specifically, the 144K male Jewish virgins that will appear during the Great Tribulation. More generally, as FF Ghost pointed out:

”For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.”

And what is the Father's will?

In desperation a jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Paul and Silas said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” And that night, as Paul and Silas shared “the word of the Lord,” salvation came to that jailer’s household.

Whoever gives up their love affair with trusting in religion, good works, government, men in general, and puts trust in Jesus will be saved.

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool - Pr. 28: 26

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. - Ps. 146 3

The reason the WT has been so successful is because a lot of people really just want someone they can see to tell them what to do. It really is about that simple.

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Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

"they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

Sea Breeze

It’s impossible to be baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness by actually studying the bible and the bible alone.

That pretty much tells anyone all they really need to know doesn't it?